Author Topic: Sunset Results August-16th (Read 12538 times)

vwracer · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2008, 03:35:32 PM »

The question i have is why would i sink a 1000$ into a for fun car as some one mentioned when we have a $750 claim rule!! I believe someone said the #4 FF got DQ'd and yes i did get DQ'd for running 13" and 14" rims, i've had enough of the points racing and went out there to have some fun. I was 3rd or 4th in points but i don't care now i don't see it right to make a rule change half way through the season that effects 2 cars in the top five and probably no one else.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2008, 03:35:32 PM »

rossevans30 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2008, 04:01:31 PM »

Quote from: vwracer on August 17, 2008, 03:35:32 PM

The question i have is why would i sink a 1000$ into a for fun car as some one mentioned when we have a $750 claim rule!!

Because your life is worth more than the $250 differance? Right?

If you can't get a caged 4-fun car built for under $750, you are either spending too much on parts, or trying to cheat. Like how much do you spend on the car to build? 300 bucks tops? 300 + 230 for a NEW cage = $530. Exclude the race seat from the claim. Who wants a seat that may not fit them anyhow?

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vwracer · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2008, 04:36:21 PM »

i do have a cage in my car and i feel safe in my car i would feel safer in my car if i could control who was in the field and keep the clowns out. like the one who drove into the back of me and shortened my car by a good 2 inches under the caution after me waveing everyone off for half a lap. Figured he would have relized considering he was actually catching someone for once instead of haveing people go blowing by him!!!

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2008, 04:36:21 PM »

holland landing · « **Reply #33 on:** August 17, 2008, 05:03:26 PM »

rossevans i have read your posts for some time and watched you race on 3 occasions . Last night was the first time i had enough time to really look at your car . I don't know if you built that car or bought it that way but it has far more safety issues then my 4 Fun . Our 4 Fun was the quickest of the class was less then a 1/2 second slower then your thunder car ,

Ross if safety is really one of your main concerns you might want to stop welding on top of old welding on your car and invest in a grinder . You may also want to consider stopping to weld mis matched sized wall tubing together on your car in the name of safety .

While watching you refuel your car i saw what looked to be one of the worst installations of a fuel cell i have ever seen . My 4 Fun has a 5 gallon marine tank with hi pressure fittings and a propper car installed in a far more professional manner then the cell you are running .

There is a lot of room for safety improvements in our class and i am all for them but from what i have seen of your deal . you may want to clean up you own act first

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Scooter · « **Reply #34 on:** August 17, 2008, 05:17:37 PM »

Quote from: holland landing on August 17, 2008, 05:03:26 PM

rossevans i have read your posts for some time and watched you race on 3 occasions . Last night was the first time i had enough time to really look at your car . I don't know if you built that car or bought it that way but it has far more safety issues then my 4 Fun . Our 4 Fun was the quickest of the class was less then a 1/2 second slower then your thunder car ,

Ross if safety is really one of your main concerns you might want to stop welding on top of old welding on your car and invest in a grinder . You may also want to consider stopping to weld mis matched sized wall tubing together on your car in the name of safety .

While watching you refuel your car i saw what looked to be one of the worst installations of a fuel cell i have ever seen . My 4 Fun has a 5 gallon marine tank with hi pressure fittings and a propper car installed in a far more professional manner then the cell you are running .

There is a lot of room for safety improvements in our class and i am all for them but from what i have seen of your deal . you may want to clean up you own act first

+1 ROFLMFFAO''

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Legend · « **Reply #35 on:** August 17, 2008, 05:19:49 PM »

Hey Scooter, let's see you build a car yourself...Then you can talk and laugh all you want at somebody else's work!

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Kahnefreak · « **Reply #36 on:** August 17, 2008, 05:28:42 PM »

Ross Evans is a stand up guy! let's not start poking at people individually. I agree with Ross that the 4 fun class needs to be more safe. Heck and Holland come look at my dads car and tell me what you think....it's safer then most! no cheap shots please. it's not neccessary, especially on a public forum such as this one!

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Scooter · « **Reply #37 on:** August 17, 2008, 05:52:32 PM »

Quote from: Legend on August 17, 2008, 05:19:49 PM

Hey Scooter, let's see you build a car yourself...Then you can talk and laugh all you want at somebody else's work!

I Don't Build Cars I buy them from the dealerships I drive North American!!and Even if I did Build a For Fun Class Or thunder I would not Cut corners to Save a Buck thats for sure For Saftey Sake!!!,,And Knanefreak I have watch your Dad Build that Car from the Ground up and to me Its a Standup Car,,Very Safe ''and Fast,,So I Know the Engine is Bullit Proof,,My son Built it!!!,,, and I know,,and as Far as Ross Evans Being a Stand up guy I will not Argue That But How well do you Know Him???..

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rossevans30 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 17, 2008, 06:02:46 PM »

Quote from: holland landing on August 17, 2008, 05:03:26 PM

rossevans i have read your posts for some time and watched you race on 3 occasions . Last night was the first time i had enough time to really look at your car . I don't know if you built that car or bought it that way but it has far more safety issues then my 4 Fun . Our 4 Fun was the quickest of the class was less then a 1/2 second slower then your thunder car ,

Ross if safety is really one of your main concerns you might want to stop welding on top of old welding on your car and invest in a grinder . You may also want to consider stopping to weld mis matched sized wall tubing together on your car in the name of safety .

While watching you refuel your car i saw what looked to be one of the worst installations of a fuel cell i have ever seen . My 4 Fun has a 5 gallon marine tank with hi pressure fittings and a propper car installed in a far more professional manner then the cell you are running .

There is a lot of room for safety improvements in our class and i am all for them but from what i have seen of your deal . you may want to clean up you own act first

Thanks for standing up for me, but I'm a big boy. Time to have a bit of fun with this

Seeing as how you are checking out my car, it would've been nice of you to say hi, and give me the same opertunity as you had. I would very much like to see yours. If it is as good as you claim here, it would be nice to see. However some of the flaws in your post lead me to beleive its not.

1) You are a 1/2 second off my thunder time - Sounds a bit quick, but oh well lets run with that. To suggest that its sensible to run one class of cars 1/2 a second slower than another, and not require the same safety is foolish. Thanks for making my point.

2) Welding on my cage - I purchased that car about 4 weeks before the start of the season. There are some terrible welds on the cage. Not done well at all in my places. Tube mismatching, dunno where you saw that, unless you are talking about the gussests at the top of the cage that don't matter. No its not the worlds greatest cage. However its held up to 3 hard hits at Kawartha with me this year. Its been on its roof ect ect. Car has been around forever.

Now to the point. You can see that my "poorly" welded cage does the job. So even a novice in 4-fun should be able to weld in a functional cage.

I did look at other cars out there running with NO door bars. Verical bars bolted to sheet metal ect.. If you've taken the time to build what I've suggest, and thats the only way you would be able to complain about my car, I don't see what your issue is. You obviosuly support safety, have it in your car, or you just made a really stupid post.

Plus I will put my "poor" cage up against no cage any day....

3) Unfortunatly you have no idea of what safe fuel cell is. I have a correct racing plastic cell, enclosed in tin, with fuel foam inside. The fabrication of the metal around the outside, is not the best, but it is complete. The problem with it is? I can only assume because you were not close enough for me to even notice you were there, you didn't get a very good look.

As for a marine tank, they call it that for a reason. I won't even bother explaining the flaws with that. Oh wait, lets change the rules for every race class out there, from foam filled RACING FUEL CELLS to marine gas tanks LOL

Keep going with the fuel cell and I'll post a picture of it on here....

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kristiwolfe · « **Reply #39 on:** August 17, 2008, 07:50:48 PM »

What a Joke!!!!!

I normally don't post after so many back and forths, but are you kidding? I have a feeling that the 1/2 second difference was between Ross' WORST race lap time and the 4funs BEST race lap time.

Matching different sized tubing is used for safety. I have a set-up in the front and back ends of my car made of 2 different sizes of tubing. It takes the force of the hit and colapses. This stops the damage to my frame, rad, motor, control arms, etc. If you question this, come and look at my car on Saturday, I will gladly hold your hand and explain it to you. Evidence of this is my hit last night. I took it off the trailer this morning, and aside from a couple of bent bars, and a bit of missing paint, the car has no other damage. Even the tow is perfect.

And sorry Ash, you don't ever have to be injured or be stiff the next day . . . I hit the 3 car HARD last night, and because of the safety equipment in my car, I'm not the least bit stiff.

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rossevans30 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:12:06 PM »

Quote from: kristiwolfe on August 17, 2008, 07:50:48 PM

I normally don't post after so many back and forths, but are you kidding? I have a feeling that the 1/2 second difference was between Ross' WORST race lap time and the 4funs BEST race lap time.

18.16 was my worse recored in practice, pushing like crazy, oversteering and getting loose off. 16.7's - 16.4's were the quicker cars in practice. You guys know your 4-fun times so there is the comparison.

1/2 a second off me might not have been that far off

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luggss · « **Reply #41 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »

Ive herd some have ran as fast as 18.2-3. ive ran a best of 18.4 but i would have to say the fast 5 on average would be 18.7 to 18.9

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Doherty · « **Reply #42 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:22:48 PM »

Last year Penders honda was an 18.1 on the thursday nights.

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Drive32 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:18:09 PM »

Quote from: kristiwolfe on August 17, 2008, 07:50:48 PM

And sorry Ash, you don't ever have to be injured or be stiff the next day . . . I hit the 3 car HARD last night, and because of the safety equipment in my car, I'm not the least bit stiff.

Hey, don't be sorry! I can see your point (and everybody elses.) I'm glad you're feeling great after that hit, it sucked to see you in it, I was rooting for ya

On another note, I'm not bashing saftey gear in cars (especially fourfuns, because yes, they do need it), but I can also see VWracer's point. I don't want to put all that stuff into my car (that I feel safe already in.) when I'm only using the Tempo for the rest of this season. I'd rather put that money into a proper fitting cage for the car I'm building for next year instead of throwing it away for the fourfun. And nobody suggest that I sell the Tempo after this season because I put all the saftey gear in it because really, who is going to buy it, everybody wants something fast or tiny. =/ I mean I could TRY and sell it, but really...

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Hardcore Racing · « **Reply #44 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:43:34 PM »

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And It's not that I am disagreeing with anything you are saying. Racing seats are awesome, cages are even better. But I know that belts (4-point or 5.) tightened as tight as comfortable will hold you in too. I'd like to argue that in Thunders a lot of people that drive those are experienced moreso than we are, but it wouldn't be valid to compare.

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The thing you have to realize about the way the 4 funs are set up using a 4 or 5 point harness is the way they are attached and how the stock seat is used. With my car the race seat and belts are attached to the cage. I am sitting within my cage inside of a car, my cage could get pushed over 4 inches and I am going along with it with my seat and belts. A 4 fun has belts attached to floor and the seat is attached as normal street car seats are. Can you imagine if you were to get hit real hard and the seat let loose on the runner and pushed forward and your belts stayed attached to floor. You would crush your pelvis or midsection.

I seen the accident that happened on Saturday night in turn 1-2. I don't want to downplay it as I know there were injuries but it looked to be just like any other accident... nothing that big really. I hope Bob is going to be fine and I wish his family the best worrying about him. I guess next year will be a big boost to safety in that division but I also fear that a lot of the drivers will move up to 4 cylinder because it will be just as much work and we will be looking at a 50 car division in 4 cylinders.

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