Author Topic: Mufflers (Read 9417 times)

racewoman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2005, 08:56:52 PM »

Yeah I just don't get it...Is my turn 4 condo at Delaware Speedway ready yet¿

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MMiller · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2005, 11:31:57 AM »

...perhaps my answer and reasoning was not accounted for.

The poll discussed removing mufflers for "road courses", so I assumed that would mean for road courses only. I'm all for no mufflers, more horsepower and louder exhaust notes. In fact, the mufflers are likeheat sinks too and get very hot compared to a typical pipe that dissipates heat faster.

I was just making a point that whatever the rules are for one track - we should maintain that for every race. Otherwise teams with more time and resources can easily find advantages race by race... and those that convert cars have to work extra hard to make their oval car more competitive on a road course.

I didn't think whether they sound better or not had anything to do with the poll. Get CASCAR to lose the mufflers altogether - and I'm right there with you guys.

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dodgeguy14 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2005, 03:20:50 PM »

more horsepower without mufflers?

hmmm... Been to a dyno lately?lol

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racewoman · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2005, 12:02:52 PM »

I do have to say at the Totonto Molson Indy I love the sound of the cars especial when they come roaring into pit road! Oh I am so confused! LOL Mufflers or no Mufflers that is way the poll was started......I have no clue what others are thinking.

I guess I have to go with removing them for road courses. At the same times I am with you Mark.....why not mark the rules the same for every track oval or road courses. I don't think though that you would get more horse power with a muffler. But hey what do I know now a days. I am here to just be kicked around.

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MMiller · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2005, 01:05:31 PM »

Quote from: "dodgeguy14"

more horsepower without mufflers? hmmm... Been to a dyno lately?lol

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm. :wink:

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ram28 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2007, 09:57:29 PM »

maybe if they became race cars first .

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MID · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2007, 09:20:04 PM »

The Cascar Series ran mufflers mainly because of Series Sponsors, 1- MIDAS and 2- FLOPRO.
I think the cars sound more like race cars without the mufflers but I will say that the FLOPRO Mufflers were by far the nicest sounding muffler I have ever heard on a race car.
The truth of the matter is this.
If we race in an area where people live within a mile of the race track it should be there call, but only if the noise level exceeds the noise of Airplanes flying over head or high traffic noise levels.
I think that the noise is what allot of fans come to hear and it adds to the excitement of the show.
I grew up at race tracks, mostly Flamboro and Cayuga, and starting going to races full time when I was 5 years old.
Every Friday night was Mini Stocks, TQ's, Late Models and Modified Sportsmans.
Every Saturday night was Hobby Cars, Late Models and Super Modifieds.
Since then its been Supers, Silver Crown Cars, Cup Cars, Indy Cars and Stock Cars.... ALL NO MUFFLERS.
The noise never hurt me... I'm sorry did you say something ??

IF RACE CARS WHERE SUPPOSED TO SOUND LIKE STREET CARS WE WOULD RUN REAL HEADLIGHTS... NOT DECALS OF HEADLIGHTS.... CASE MADE !!

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mike32 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 11, 2007, 10:04:29 PM »

Dave-do you remember when Cascar ran the Walker mufflers and all cars sounded like vacuum cleaners?. All you heard coming off corner four at Delaware was a whoosh. Woops-just read a previous post and maybe it was me being quoted-LOL

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MID · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2007, 11:10:18 PM »

I would have to bet that the Mufflers are OUT for the NASCAR NTS and that comes from a reliable sorce.
Im not a betting man but the sorce is high enough up there that its 99% true, at least for 99% of the tracks and I wont say which track wants mufflers.... so dont ask !!

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AutoAssembler · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2007, 12:49:00 AM »

I agree with Mark re:CASCAR, either have them on at all the races or have them off at all the races for reasons mentioned.

Hey Dave, do you remember Howie Scannel's car scooting around the track at Flamboro back in the late 60's, the old yellow #99 426 Hemi, now that was a sound all of it's own!

Kinda along the same line of thought as running a motor tuned for mufflers, without them, I was wondering about the guys that run Florida (ie. NSS) who's engines are tuned to run on unleaded fuel, what happens when they run the leaded fuel in them??? Also, if anyone remembers the fuel mixup or lack of, at Kawartha 2 years ago, some guys ran down to the local gas station for fuel, I wonder how those engines ran that day if in fact they used it? I know we were short fuel that day, but was able to get some off another team that went out, half way thru the race. Just curious???

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MID · « **Reply #25 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:02:35 AM »

It has been confirmed (NASCAR) that for 2007 the NASCAR CTS cars will NOT RUN MUFFLERS at all tracks except Kawartha at this point.
I give NASCAR a big 10 for this call.
Now that we know this is okay with the tracks I suggest strongly that the new OSS follows suit and gets rid of the Mufflers.
Lets make race cars sound like race cars again.

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MID · « **Reply #26 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:11:42 AM »

Yes Auto Assembler I do recall Scooter Scanell and his Zenith sponsored 99, but the best sounding car of all time was Harold Browns #10 1970 Chevelle (Blue and White).
I bet you didnt know this ??
Under the IRL Rule Book, Indy cars must run Mufflers, but it is only manditory in the garage area !!
Thats the only place I can see, or better for words- hear-, the idea that race cars need mufflers.

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #27 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:14:02 AM »

Quote from: AutoAssembler on March 13, 2007, 12:49:00 AM

I agree with Mark re:CASCAR, either have them on at all the races or have them off at all the races for reasons mentioned.

Hey Dave, do you remember Howie Scannel's car scooting around the track at Flamboro back in the late 60's, the old yellow #99 426 Hemi, now that was a sound all of it's own!

I sure remember the sound and I think it had more to do with the large diameter of the headers and the fact that the pipes ran back the full length of the car . I am not sure but I think Brad Francis built the pipes for Bernie Reddick .

I prefer a muffler rule but what ever they decide it should be one way or the other as having to have two sets of pipes just ads more cost for everyone.

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AutoAssembler · « **Reply #28 on:** March 13, 2007, 10:27:38 AM »

That's the one!

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MID · « **Reply #29 on:** March 13, 2007, 03:39:07 PM »

Nice photo...do you have one of his Dart... If you do its rare beacuse the car when new, went through the fence at Flamboro in practice, and yes it did sound as sweet as the Super Bee !!
Hats off to Scooter Scannel....

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