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Canadian Oval / Road Racing => Canadian Tracks => Barrie Speedway => Topic started by: charger on January 24, 2008, 10:22:26 AM
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so we have pick for thunder and lates whats every ones picks for the pure stocks and charger divisions champions this year.
i think its brandon crumbies year in pure stock but charger its toatally up in the air
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crumbie lol tom millagan will win hands down or our budy thane if he runs a whole year!chargers who cares waste of time!
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Well I think Crumbie is a good choice in the Pure Stocks for sure. If Gipper does somehow run the whole year he would be another good pick however!! And for the Chargers I'll say Drew Stieler if hes running another year in that division!!!
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Thanks for the love axle! The car should be pretty quick this year if I get done what I want...Crumbie and Milligan will be pretty quick though. Chargers maybe dave crumbie if he runs it again...not sure who is going to be in that class though.
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i am pretty sure Dave is moving up a div and i really hope to see Thayne up there in points this year but there will be some stiff competition. as for the chargers its anyones game drew is fast and
crystal and Desi got a year under their belts and were getting fast at the end of last year. i hope to run well as well assuming i can afford to keep my ride under me. and hey axle there are some people out there who do care how the chargers run. if you don't thats your
opinion, so don't watch.
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i don't watch i go to my truck and listen to tennis on the radio!lol thats how bad i find it....its not real racing didn't mean to hurt your feelings sorry!
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i don't watch i go to my truck and listen to tennis on the radio!lol thats how bad i find it....its not real racing didn't mean to hurt your feelings sorry!
Don't give up your Day Job Cause your not Funny!!!,,,Crystal Doucette for Charger,,Monette for A '',,and Davey for T C,,and Baker for LM
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axle its real to those who compete in it. to belittle them is beneath one.
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Yeaaaa Righhhttttt!!!!
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The chargers I think will come down to Slavish and Steiler, if they run in that division again this year.
The 4 cyl will be very competive, I think it will end up being a very tight battle between Burrows, Milligan, the 2 Crumbies ( if both run, I am sure Dave will be there) Monette (he has a taste of championship) and Glaze. This is going to be all about starting positions, I can see guys juggling for top spot all season long.
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slavish has moved to thunder car and word out of the burrows camp is theyre only running barrie on mosport off nights
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slavish has moved to thunder car and word out of the burrows camp is theyre only running barrie on mosport off nights
Any ideas what the Burrows will be driving since Honda's are illegal there ?
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sleepy11, Honda's are what they ran last year. they each had a crx
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WELL THAT NARROWS THE FIELD FOR THE 4 CYL. DOESN'T IT. I PREDICT A VERY TIGHT BATTLE ALL SEASON WITH ONLY A COUPLE OF POINTS SEPARATING THE TOP 5 AT ANY GIVEN TIME. I STILL THINK MY CHOICES MINUS THE BURROWS WILL STAND.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN BOYS
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Hondas are illegal at Mosport and i thought the pure stock champion at Barrie had to move up a class .
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Yes Dave Burrows has to move up or race elsewhere, Beau I believe can still compete in the class.
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Beau said at the banquet that he was trying to obtain a late model, I sure hope he does as there great guys to race with.
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You dont have to move up to another class if you win the championship in A class only in charger, moving up in the old pure stock and now the "A" class is an unwritten rule.
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I thought for sure that the champion of the 4 cyl class had to move up, thats the way it was in 06, i could be wrong, but that was my understanding, in the TC and LM they don't have to move, chargers and 4 cyl they did .
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I have always favored the mini stock champion move up rule , they use it at many tracks in Canada and the US . It helps put a good driver in the higher classes and stops the Frank Kimmel syndrome .
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it has never actually been a rule in black and white that the 4 cyl champion had to move up
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Oh and for my prediction, i think Tia could be a contender in the top 3 anyways in charger she definatly knows how to handle that shevette... now its time for us to take that block of wood out from under the gas pedal. ;) and as for A class... you all know my prediction ;D
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Ditto here for forgetting about the return of Mike Meyer in the Pure Stocks!! I think he could finish top 3 by seasons end !! But I will still stick with Crumbie and Stieler as my picks!! Also if #2 Ben Melenhorst decides to make the jump from Sunset look out for that car and hes got a little expierience at Barrie as well so the learning curve might not be that big in the first month!!!
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slavish has moved to thunder car and word out of the burrows camp is theyre only running barrie on mosport off nights
Any ideas what the Burrows will be driving since Honda's are illegal there ?
ive heard they were racing modifieds
but i dont know either of them personally, i just have the good old grapevine....
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yea, I tlak to Dave all the time..they are still planning on running mods.
There is no move up rule.
Rick does this mean you guys are running Barrie?
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has he sold that CRX yet?
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has he sold that CRX yet?
With a price tag of $ 6000 do you think he sold it ?
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Yes Thayne Mike and I will be running Barrie, Mike in the same Pure Stock and I will be running LLM as a Rookie contender. Does anyone know who are all the new rookies in the LLM division ?
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Thats great news! Look forward to cing you again out on the track!
Is Keith temple a rookie this year? i knwo he is running, just dont know his history...
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Doesn't that car of Mike Myers have to come a part and be teched before its allowed to race at Barrie again ?
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Well Temple would most definitely be a rookie!!! Hes ran Thunders at Barrie in the past, last time I believe was the 05 season and maybe some in either 04 or 03 as well I think!! I know he comes on here from time to time maybe he can fill us in better on his race history as far as both driving and crewing goes cause I know hes been involved with a few teams over the years as well!!! Hey Keith you planning on full season as well bud??? And I'm guessing it wont be a crate motor either????FLMAO Hope to see everyone out at track this year and maybe I'll even run into a few at the Barrie mall show!!
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The Burrows are building their mods, to race at Mosport this year, and I think possibly the Mini's as well at Barrie. Dave's 4 cylinder is for sale, if anyone is interested.. burrowsboyzracing@hotmail.com
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;D lots of people with interest noone wiht the money he wants
for it
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who in thier right mind would pay 6500.00 for a car that wont pass tech!thats crazy!
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;D lots of people with interest noone wiht the money he wants
for it
Exactly, I'm interested, but can't see paying anymore than $3-4000 for a top knotch mini-stock. For $6500 I could buy a legend car.
Has anybody made an offer to Dave that has been rejected?
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who would even call you can by a top thunder for 7000!
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guys, don;t bash the burrows...Dave had an offer of 5000 last year b4 the season started and considered it, since then it has been upgraded..so he will sell it, but I really do not see it selling for that much.
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i wasent busting daves chops i just think no matter how much you got into a mini you will never get thunder car money for it.
its like any other car you never get back what you have into it :(
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The Burrows are building their mods, to race at Mosport this year
I fiqured they would be running their mods at Barrie again this year.
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lol...barrie does not run mods...
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guys, don;t bash the burrows...Dave had an offer of 5000 last year b4 the season started and considered it, since then it has been upgraded..so he will sell it, but I really do not see it selling for that much.
Interesting. I wonder what he has upgraded since then.
For the record I was not not bashing the Burrows, was just inquiring if anybody had called about it and what Dave's reaction was to an offer...
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okay, the upgrade is a completely freshened motor and new chrome rims.
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okay, the upgrade is a completely freshened motor and new chrome rims.
Gotcha....thanks for the info!
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I got $3500 for my car and it was a charger car! Why wouldn't Dave be able to get say $6000 for his car. Legal or not it's a quick car.
Anyways it's prediction time in the off season.....lol....I would see Monette being in the top 5 in the "A" division this year but not quite getting that championship again...I would say that Brandon Crumbie, Glaze or Milligan will win that battle with Monette closely tucked in behind....
I don't think Drew will race chargers again..I think he will want a taste of the big boys and a strong finish in 07' may have given him some opportunities and some ideas to tune up his car a little now that he has some experience. I will have to say that you will see a female driver win the Charger division championship. I have strong hopes for Crystal Doucette as she has a year under her belt and a strong car with great crew members working on her car. If Jeff Heighington gets his Toyota motor working I am sure he will land himself in the top 5 in points in the Charger division.....
Those are my picks and i'm sticking to it
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KF @ $3500 you got top dollar for your car as i am sure you realize . There is a large market for mini stocks in the $2500-$3500 range but not much of a market in the $6500 price range . I can buy a low milage JDM Honda engine for $ 400 dollars add another $150 for the regrind cam and that leaves $5950 to build a rolling CRX chassis . Ask your dad if he thinks he could make any money building Honda mini stock rollers for $ 5950 , my guess is he will tell you that he would quit his day job if he could get enough orders .
Just to put it all in perspective Zinke from Sunset could not get $2000 for his Honda which was way faster then the Burrows car (yes i know its a 16V) but it was a far faster car through the ends not just up the chute.
As far as who will win the Chargers i know of at lest couple of cars switching to Barrie from other tracks and a couple of brand new cars being built that look much faster then anyone that ran Chargers last year. My guess is most people have never seen the car yet that will win the Charger division .
*Jeff Heighington will never be competitive until he gets rid of that automatic trans .
** Barrie needs to do something to differentiate the Pure Stocks from the Chargers , the way it is now it just looks like fast mini stocks and slow mini stocks and that doesn't have much appeal to the people in the stands .
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i agree Jeff needs to get a standard tranny. But the Charger champion Shawn Monette was competitive and won the championship with the only automatic 4 cylinder at Barrie. Yes i agree that something has to be done to seperate the 2 classes. I have always said that opening up and allowing the "A" division cars to do suspension stuff would help alot as they are faster and more experienced. At least that would make the 2 classes a little different. Same as the 9HP JCARS as opposed to the 13HP. The 9 have no suspension and the 13HP are allowed to modify their suspension..
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I think sleepy means visually....differentiating for the fans would mean something that they can see...and I would agree as well....
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i agree Jeff needs to get a standard tranny. But the Charger champion Shawn Monette was competitive and won the championship with the only automatic 4 cylinder at Barrie.
its all about gear ratio kahnefreak not weather or not it a standard or automatic....a standard will give him more rpm than his auto because of its the gear ratio.
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I think sleepy means visually....differentiating for the fans would mean something that they can see...and I would agree as well....
Yes thats what i meant .
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well axle, why don't you get on the track and race, instead of sitting here making comments about who will win because of what equipment they have!! it's talent too bud!
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well...... i will be out there right in front of your dad!lol i was just trying to help you out with the tranny but i guess you know everything....also you need good equipment to win not just talent lol your dad must have done all the mechanical work on your car?
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yeah he did...i gave him a hand and Shawn Monette did quite a bit of work as did the rest of MHM racing including, Jeff Heighington, Heather, Andrea, Gary, Donna, Kevin Aiken, my bro and anybody else who lent a hand. that's cool if you end up in front of my dad when the race is over. You go out there and have fun Axle.
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oh and Axle i know you were trying to help and i know that the auto loses RPM and horsepower. I may not be able to put a tool to the job but i am not retarded. As for your comment about my dad doing everything, i don't find that insulting at all as I am not great with mechanical things. I'm not a bad driver. One of the cleanest guys out there.......I don't want to start a bashing deal here, so let's just end it here and continue on.
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wow easy there khane didnt mean to upset u sorry!
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didn't upset me, just didn't want to continue on with it axle...lol
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The only way of changing the look for the fans would be to allow the "a" class to modify the bodys a little but then your into a mod 4
class. the rules for the chargers is to allow people with less experience or no money who want to race a chance to run. i know from experience that runnig at the back because you dont have the money to "buy a win" is frustrating. you know you can pull with the lead cars on a good night but dont have the backing to pull off any sort of consistant runs.
now i am rambling but i started this thread to see what people think
about who is going to win in these div. not to debate the rules for each class good luck to all in what ever div they decide to run
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atta boy Charger....lol....you tell us!
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atta boy Charger....lol....you tell us!
CONSIDER YOURSELF TOLD >:( LOL
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The only way of changing the look for the fans would be to allow the "a" class to modify the bodys a little but then your into a mod 4
class. the rules for the chargers is to allow people with less experience or no money who want to race a chance to run. i know from experience that runnig at the back because you dont have the money to "buy a win" is frustrating. you know you can pull with the lead cars on a good night but dont have the backing to pull off any sort of consistant runs.
There is an immense difference between a Barrie Pure Stock and a Mod 4 and i do think something could be done to differentiate the Chargers from the Pure Stocks .
I hope you are not insinuating that the guys that are winning in Pure Stocks are "buying" their wins . Does it cost money to run up front , you betcha but you have to have all the other pieces of the puzzle or you will never see a checkered . Last year was the first year of the Charger class and the cars were pretty even but watch for a big change this year. I have seen it over and over where a new class starts up and as each year goes by the cars get more sophisticated and much faster . I have seen a couple of the cars being built for this class and believe me when i say if you are bringing your 2007 game to the 2008 season your not going to be competitive.
I stand by my prediction that the champion in the Charger division this year will be a car and a driver that did not run at Barrie last year.
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when i say "buying a win" thats "a" div some of those car have as much into them as some top running thunder cars. and yes the chargers should be better this year, having one year to kinda work the bugs out. i would not expect to come back this year and not have improved my stuff over last year and still be able to pull off a win or even a top three, but i wont have to spend t/car money to be competitive thats all i was saying. and i would not count out any of the drivers who ran last year in this div.
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Hang in there Charger, the 55 did on a shoestring budget and a prayer, mind you his skills in driving did improve quite a bit. Money isn't everything in racing, being good at handling your car and the set up can do more for you in a race than any amount of money can buy. My God, an 88 Subaru automatic taking the championship, I am sure going to miss that car.......
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;D thnanks yorkie i wont be counting any of my chickens just yet but i hope to have a beter handle on thing in the comming weeks
looking forward to a good season win lose or draw
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Well I hope to see you out there this season, and I know that if you needed Shawn's help or advise he would in a heartbeat for you. We just have to keep you in one peice thats all, but I'm sure Shawn could tweek that little car of your "LEGALLY" to help you out. I'm sure that stuffed Turtle will help I had a little talk with it before you got it so you will be up there Hunny.....lol
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;D with bells on 8)
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a turtle with bells,we need a picture charger
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That's the spirit, go give em all hell, we'll keep you in piece one way or another, lots of duct tape lol
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yup and we always know where that turtle is too. bell around it's neck lol
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;D thats so you can hear it comming. have to see if i can find a hlemet and fire suit for him. would not want him to get hurt. lol :o
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when i say "buying a win" thats "a" div some of those car have as much into them as some top running thunder cars... as written by Charger
Stop with the money comments, We have been accused of the money thing once or twice and i will tell you our secret... Library cards are FREE, it is all about the research so i guess it isn't "buying a win", it's "reading a win"
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There is only Two Big different in the two classes.. and it was made for this reason...
Charger was made for the beginners and for the people that just want to race to have fun and not "Dump" alot of money into a Car Aka Can't Afford to dump alot into a car.
Where as in the 4 Cyl Class it's supposed to be competitive and for people that are willing to Dump the money into it...
Great Example of this is 63 and 64 Both 4 Cyl.
Now Dave (64) likes to just go out there and give it hell for fun and I fully understand why he decided to go to charger so he could support Brandon (63) Car which was in the 4 Cyl Class Fully, I have seem nights where dave would totally forgot about his car and work on Brandon just to get it back out to be COMPETITIVE where Dave didn't really sweat getting his car out because he was only in it for fun..
And that's the real different in the two class the level of which you wanted to play at?
Competitive or Fun is the only real decision.
I would also like to add that as Research does come Free, The parts that are researched May not be free.
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Anyone know who drove the Dodge Charger to the championship years ago and how to get a hold of him. Think it was #77, not sure he moved up to latemodels right after. I see the person that bought it, is selling it and I wanted some info, thanks. Also any info on the Dodge Charger #13 that ran since that is also for sale.
You can send it private. Thanks again.
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think it was a Daytona not charger and his name is Mike Drossos. He own overdrive automotive in the south end of Barrie
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if it was one of the mid late 80s daytona they were also a charger until the early 90s i think. dodges version of the tempo.
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Stop with the money comments, We have been accused of the money thing once or twice and i will tell you our secret... Library cards are FREE, it is all about the research so i guess it isn't "buying a win", it's "reading a win"
i really think this was already touched on earlier in this thread, however i don't honestly remember pointing at one team in particular imho the whole div has gone to having to spend too much money on their cars just to run mid pack.
but again this is just my opinion
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IMO i dont think that the costs for the 4 cyl class have been blown out of porportion at all. Some of you Mustang guys have about $5000 in your motors. Dont try to deny it. To build my car cost about half what those motors do, and let me remind you it won 7 features between sunset and sauble last year. The problem is not money. The problem is some people refuse to drive anything besides a 25 year old 8 valve mustang and the reality is our rules package allow you to drive much quicker cars that come right off the assembly line ready to go. I dont have anything against anyone im just saying if you have such a problem with the cost buy a 12 valve car and see how much less you spend. I wouldnt be suprised if Barrie allowed 16 valve cars next year and trust me that will just drive costs even further for the 8 valve cars.If i would put 6500 bucks in a race car i can ssure it would be a competetive used thunder car instead of a 4 cylinder
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You go spend $6500 on a thunder and let me know how competitive it is! LOL as for Mustang guys having $5000 in a motor I have 0 idea who that was directed at but the Mustang that won the championship and 3 features and 7 top 5's @ Kawartha has nowhere near that amount in the motor and it can pull with everything, plus it out handles almost everything! including 240's
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let me remind you wade, steve penny sold his championship winning car with a kick ass new hosking engine for $3500. i believe you can buy a used car and engine for $6500 and kick some ___!( i'm not allowed to say it or i'll get another email) well you know what i mean.
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Mosport Champ Brad Stevenson has his car for sale rolling for $3000, Tyler Liscums car was listed for $6500 with 2 motors, Dean Curry has his for sale for sale with trailer $5500, now compare that to, $6500 for Dave Burrows car, $5000 for Pearsalls Flamboro Mustang, $6000 for the Flammy mustang #95, Beau Burrows selling 2 crx's for $11000, Dave Glaze is selling for $4500, started at $5000, Sikes asking $4500 for his Cavalier, Penny wants $4000 for his honda. There is some great deals out there for thunders compared to Mini-Stock, cost of operation may be a bit more for a thunder over mini stock, but for what most guys are spending on tires in Mini Stocks, Thunder tires are cheaper, Barries $95 for a tire, Sunset is I believe 130-140 not sure exactly what it is but there you go theres better deals on thunders than there is mini stocks out there, and guys wonder why noone will buy there cars.
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Your right. Why the hell are some of these cars not sold?. Stevens car is smokin fast, and cant get $3000?. Rolling its still a steal. I hear some of the amount guys are spending on new ones ($15000+0 and cant understand. Then $5000+ for a 4 Cyl????
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You go spend $6500 on a thunder and let me know how competitive it is! LOL as for Mustang guys having $5000 in a motor I have 0 idea who that was directed at but the Mustang that won the championship and 3 features and 7 top 5's @ Kawartha has nowhere near that amount in the motor and it can pull with everything, plus it out handles almost everything! including 240's
As you can see there are many thunder cars for sale for around 6500 or less that will easily keep up with the field. The comment was not directed at anyone in particular. And i knew a good guy with a mustang and after he sold it he told me over about 4 years he had put close to $10000 in to it, mostly the motor..i drove right by him every weekend
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I up for finding out where these cheap thunders are!!! I'm just going from what I can see I figure it's prolly close to $14g's first year to run up front in a thunder then all your cost after the fact. I figure if that good guy you know spent $10g's over 4 years he wasn't doing too bad racing @ $2500 yr it cost almost that amount for a simple rebuild on virtually any engine!
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Larkin won the Flamboro mini stock championship with a Charger a few years back that cost less then $1500.
Minis are suppose to be a starter class. Not too many starting off in a new sport are willing to shell out $5000 or more on something they are not sure they can do or afford everyweek. They usually start off with something cheap and then once they get the experience they build their own later or buy a chassis to finish.
If I was going to spend $6000 I would buy a crate engine and then a cheap thunder roller before a mini stock. Except for fuel, I think thunders are getting cheaper to run now.
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Bottom line is Racing isn't cheap get used to it or get out! and yeppers there is a few decent deals out there but none in the price range we're talking about, as for previous yrs they really don't count, hell in the early '80's you could actually make money racing but let's be realistic here that's not today so it your friend or his friends buddy sold a car for $1500 that he won the champioship with 5 yrs ago it doesn't count we're talking about today 2008 not 2003!
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let me remind you wade, steve penny sold his championship winning car with a kick ass new hosking engine for $3500. i believe you can buy a used car and engine for $6500 and kick some ___!( i'm not allowed to say it or i'll get another email) well you know what i mean.
Ohh yeah I remember that and if I recall correctly it went directly to the back of the pack where it has resided since! Although I can agree on most things with you, I know that nobody knows better then you the difference you get when you spend the bucks!
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We got 1500 into our engine last year and ran well towards the end of the year....its hw you spend it, not how much, now Nick French is tubing the front of our car, and is doing a damn fine job and I hipoe since i don have to do much to the motor this year i can spend money there to improve it some more...brick by brick my friend, rome was not built in a day...lol
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Yes he won the championship then, won a feature in 2006 and finished top5 and 7th in 2007 with a freshened head. It still can be done I'm told. I see an accord and neon being built by guys with lots of years racing experience and they dont plan on spending anywhere near $5000. Mind you we only have one honda at Flamboro so far.lol.
Not sure who bought Penny's car. But i've seen a last place car everyweek, almost win a feature one week when the track champion borrowed it.
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Now now tisk tisk did I ever say you couldn't do it over a few seasons no doubt you can but it's just simple physics, I inquired myself with more then one Chassis builder to build a 4 banger would cost me atleast $3000 by the time it was rolling (this includes purchase of the car to be used)( also pretty much ball park cost to do a thunder chassis aswell) steel is steel and safety equipment is all relivent it all cost the same no matter what you're biulding with it! now that being said as of right now I'm not much of a welder so I can't save the money there this is why I asked a few fabricators to get a ball park figure! now all this aside I could easily just drop a used motor in race but in no way shape or form would I expect to be competitive nor would I expect it to be reliable, so thus brining in a fresh engine and head ball park $2500 and a few trick things everybody is doing (yes I mean everybody) I'm just saying that I don't believe these fellas are out to lunch on the asking price of their very competitive cars!! they are jump in and go to the front rides!! LOL Ask Ol' Nick how much it'd take to buy his now minted (via Chance Isherwood) Championship Stang! I'm betting a yrs wages that you couldn't buy it for any less then $6000 but this is just my opinion though I've been proven wrong it doesn't happen very often! Thayne as for having $1500 in your whole engine I'm happy it worked that way for you! I never said I agreed with fellas asking that much I'm just simply stating that it's the going rate so either buy it or chase it LOL I just figure if you don't already have a car and need to start from scratch you best be willing to shell out $4500 and up for a competitive outta the box ride, or go a touch cheaper and figure it out on your own
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Any of those Thunder Cars are deals. Put it to you this way, as is usually the case, you can't build one for that cost. I have way more than $6500 in mine, it runs at the back, and I started with a $2000 car. The chassis from CSC costs at least $1800, the cage kit in a box is like $900. A local chassis builder builds one with a tin kit for a little better than $3000. I fully expect my new car when built will be about $15,000 no problem. It isn't cheap to race kids, but we do it because we love it right?
I can't see putting $5000 in a mini-stock, but some of these 4-cylinder guys refuse to drive a V8 metric car. They don't understand them and don't have any interest in them. I don't know how anyone can spend 5 big ones on a "purely stock" very limited modifications class... but then again racing is full of guys spending too much on the class they are in instead of moving up a class.
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I figure it cost me 2500-3000 to build my 95 golf ministock,doing all the work myself(stripping/cage/motor/trans/electric),and the car ran upfront every week until it got wrecked.Btw that was with a $300 junk yard motor.My "built" motor grenaded before I got out of the shop,lol.
Now,if you cant do all the work yourself,then $4000-$5000 for a top shelf mini is certainly not out of line.If I was buying a mini for an up and coming driver,I would buy a mid priced car for around $3500 and spend the extra dollars on a driving sghool.Driving skill makes most of the difference,especially at the lower levels.
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Any of those Thunder Cars are deals. Put it to you this way, as is usually the case, you can't build one for that cost. I have way more than $6500 in mine, it runs at the back, and I started with a $2000 car. The chassis from CSC costs at least $1800, the cage kit in a box is like $900. A local chassis builder builds one with a tin kit for a little better than $3000. I fully expect my new car when built will be about $15,000 no problem. It isn't cheap to race kids, but we do it because we love it right?
I can't see putting $5000 in a mini-stock, but some of these 4-cylinder guys refuse to drive a V8 metric car. They don't understand them and don't have any interest in them. I don't know how anyone can spend 5 big ones on a "purely stock" very limited modifications class... but then again racing is full of guys spending too much on the class they are in instead of moving up a class.
Thunder6 is your car a CSC chassis ?
You may not be able to see putting $5000 into a mini stock but right now there is a guy building a Honda that cant understand why anyone would put $10,000 + into an Iraqi Taxi . Many Super Modified guys don't get the Late Model guys and on down the line it goes . When they first started the Four Fun class at Sunset i was one of the biggest nay sayers but i have now seen where several drivers from that class have moved up a class or two and be come very good drivers and some that have the potential to be top Late Model drivers in the future like Ben Mellonhorst for example . I think several of these guys may never have got into racing if their hadn't been a very inexpensive class to get their feet wet . I also see several fathers with sons in that class that are spending Saturday nights with each other and probally a night or two during the week working on their car and how can that be a bad thing in this day and age . There are now several tracks in Ontario , Oshweken being the latest to add this class because they see how its getting new people into the sport and yes adding a lot of money to the back gate . In retrospec Glen at Sunset looks pretty smart to me for identifying a niche that has so much of an upside and so many other tracks are now following . The point i am making is we all have different ideas on racing like how serious we want to get and how fast we want to go , other wise we would all be running Super Modifieds or 410 Sprint cars .
Remember we all have to start somewhere even if it looks like junk to you .
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Pinecrest, yes it is a CSC, albeit an older one, I would guess a 90's CSC, no 6" setback etc... I know the car was racing at Barrie when they had the rule about the oil pressure light on the roof. It had a fresh frame in '04. I got lucky, its a good starting out car, not bent up, and it has fairly neutral handling as I got it. I learned from the car, but you can only go so far before you want to start your own new car, which is where I am right now... minus the budget of course ;D
My point was also that while I understand V8 RWD technology and like the TC because that is what I identify from when I was a kid, that's why I race TC. I messed with musclecars and trucks before getting into racing ovals, I really don't have much experience with FWD or 4 cylinders. However I think FWD and 4 cylinders are the starting point for many younger people, it is quite often what they know. I totally agree with what you're saying about starting out. My difficulty is that now there are some of these 4 cylinder racers who don't want to move up a class, and really trick out the cars, which I don't think is really the intent of the class IMHO.
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I think at BSW anyways, the right guys move up at the right time....all fo the p[ast champoions have moved on and many front runners as well....I am not entirely sure who is 'tricking out' their rides instead of moving up at this juncture...Burrows moved on, and they were the only dominate ones other than milligan.
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I was talking about some of our younger friends who had some pretty wild rule suggestions after last season, a "Pro Mod" class or some major changes to the 4 cyl rules, gutting, drilled rotors, 2.5" exhaust etc... IMHO, no offense meant to the gentlemen who made these suggestions.
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Bruce Beacock has a nice little VW for sale. $1000. All you need to do put in your own seat, fuel cell and dash. His cars always run up front at Sauble and i'm sure he would give you any info to help you out.
I have pics if anyone is interested or his email.
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we spent about $1500 on Steeve's engine to race it for 3 years, that includes, a rebuild, the first year, a head rebuild the 2nd year and a head rebuild the 3rd year.....What cost us the most was putting the car together safely and putting new parts on the car all around. Anymore than $3500.00 asking for a mini stock is outrageous. you won't sell very quick. We sold ours the day after the last night of racing for $3500.00...If your looking to spend more than you might as well buy a Thundercar...I have about 13k or so into my new gen car and it's still not done. but were hoping it will run in the top 5 every night.
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Bruce Beacock has a nice little VW for sale. $1000. All you need to do put in your own seat, fuel cell and dash. His cars always run up front at Sauble and i'm sure he would give you any info to help you out.
I have pics if anyone is interested or his email.
i think he has 2 for sale...im real surprised they havent sold yet, as his stuff has been great everytime ive seen it
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ya bruce knows what he is doing with those volkswagens>>>great guy in the pits at sauble.....helps out everybody in that class and has sold 2 cars in the last year that will run there...havent heard what he is doing this year>>
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yes he has 2 for sale. The other for $600 has cage only tacked in.
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Anyhow my pic for the 4 banger class this yr is the new driver for the 35 team! The have hired a new French hot shoe Guy Ledouche, although the secondary driver Jacques Strap might be able to give Guy a run for his money if he can find a full-time ride. Both Guy and Jacques have been burning up the tracks around scarcely know parts, they shoiuld have thier hands full at the tight Barrie Bull ring!
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Anyhow my pic for the 4 banger class this yr is the new driver for the 35 team! The have hired a new French hot shoe Guy Ledouche, although the secondary driver Jacques Strap might be able to give Guy a run for his money if he can find a full-time ride. Both Guy and Jacques have been burning up the tracks around scarcely know parts, they shoiuld have thier hands full at the tight Barrie Bull ring!
he he sounds like a talledega nights thing ;)
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so axle i know who you are and its pretty sad when you say stuff about the charger division even though your in it.. were only in the charger division because we are learning, and i know i have one year under my belt and you like like 3 dont you think thats sad and your still in the charger....sorry for putting you down but honestly thats what i think of you and putting down that charger division! :-\
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Axle isn't who u think it is Des.
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maybe not....but they still shouldnt be putting down the chargers i just take offence to that...racing is fun and should be for every one and forsome one to call one division pathetic, they better think agian!