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Posted by: jcrashm2
« on: March 07, 2015, 11:38:18 PM »

i was just stating what was said at flamboro meeting...if they paid back membership fees cool..
i kno back at barrie days when mark ran the place, 5 of us towed from flammy for an invitational with no place to park and mark had them cut the neighbour fence down and dropped a load of gravel for a ramp to get to it...was pretty funny and memorable...lol..
atleast the pavement cars arent all having to drop $500 down on a transponder like ALL the dirt cars now ;)
Posted by: murray
« on: March 04, 2015, 10:26:37 PM »

Sunset will be action packed all summer long...bring it on !
Posted by: MarkDilley
« on: March 04, 2015, 08:59:24 PM »

Thanks Ross we will do our best and just for the record you would have to back the drivers out of your calculation they paid last year as well, if you average it out to a hundred dollars per car last year which is low but easy math on a 140 drivers that is $14000 now you would have to subtract that from ur Nascar total $30625 sub 14000 =$16625 dif $20000 plus dollar increase in points money over last year when all said and done.
The drivers have always had to pay reg either track or Nascar doesn't matter which.
Have a good summer see u for my beer in Oct.
Posted by: cardriver
« on: March 04, 2015, 05:49:04 PM »

In Reply to Cardriver Tom PODD # 17 Super Stock was a Registered  car at Sunset SPEEDWAY last year . You have to pay if you want to play.Cheers TOMCAT

And registered at KD too I guess. You guys really were supporting the tracks.
Posted by: cardriver
« on: March 04, 2015, 05:47:52 PM »

Just one of the returns from NASCAR and there sponsors points funds went up $36725

From my calculations based on 36,40 and 69 registered cars, with 2 crew per team the extra costs from NASCAR are $30,625 over last year, with a greater points fund of $36725, so I'll agree overall that is a net gain for the drivers. I'll admit I was wrong there.

Still sucks to be a part time car, or out of the top 10 where you are not paid from the points fund and paying more (obviously you know where I am biased) , but for those in the money, you are right it is better. I guess you are rewarding loyalty and performance. So be it.

Its a confusing system of money going back and forth, not knowing where you stand at the end, which is why I always said I'd race for backgate for two and a hamburger.

I'll give you the lead on the beer bet Mark, and in all honesty hope you do win it. Thanks for stepping up and taking time for the debate, might clear it up for others who had the same questions.

Why the interest Evan? Because anyone who has ever raced is never really done racing till they are 6 feet under. Change of circumstances, I and most others would be back in a heart beat (nothing directly pointed at Sunset there). So you sit and evaluate from the cheap seats. Want to discredit my opinion because I'm not out there in a car - so be it, I've done that to many others myself ;)
Posted by: Wheelsspin
« on: March 04, 2015, 05:37:07 PM »

Hopefully it turns out better for SUNSET than it did for Delaware ;) just about everyone was glad to see them  go including the track .
Posted by: tomcat
« on: March 04, 2015, 05:00:35 PM »

In Reply to Cardriver Tom PODD # 17 Super Stock was a Registered  car at Sunset SPEEDWAY last year . You have to pay if you want to play.Cheers TOMCAT
Posted by: ernie
« on: March 04, 2015, 04:25:34 PM »

You'll never please everyone Mark. Don't feed the wildlife. You'll eventually get bit. I for one think you and your team have done a tremendous job with Sunset and I was crawling around under those bleachers when the track was first scratched out of the dirt.
Posted by: MarkDilley
« on: March 04, 2015, 08:54:49 AM »

Just one of the returns from NASCAR and there sponsors points funds went up $36725 so when you put that on top off Sunsets points fund that totals $64470 not bad go to the web and check it out so it is not all take these are numbers that you don't see very often in local racing.
NASCAR LIC very easy $200 Late Model Driver everything else is $100 there is NO track registration fee, (2014 numbers Late $175, Super $125, Mini $75).
On the sponsorship part I don't think you want to get into that with me and the importance of brand awareness and ROI at any level so lets just leave that one and as you said lets see at the end of the year I will be coming for my beer, you have a good summer.
 
Posted by: CanadianRacingOnline
« on: March 04, 2015, 08:03:24 AM »

cardriver you don't even race anymore so why are you so concerned what they are doing at sunset. People pay the license or not it's up to them. I don't see any drivers complaining about it.

It is what it is.

NASCAR is the biggest name in racing like it or not.

Posted by: cardriver
« on: March 04, 2015, 03:18:00 AM »

Here is the big question...

Lest say Coke decided to sponsor Sunset and make it a "Coke Family Racetrack" - which by SPONSORING a track they are hoping to promote their brand, and attract more attention to the track further promoting their brand.

If drivers were forced to pay more for a track sponsor, like the Coke example - say pay $100 per person just to have a pit crew because Coke's name is on the track - wouldn't they be really pissed off? WTF makes NA$CAR so special here when really all they are doing is the same thing?

Are you really foolish enough to think its really a "license" which put you somehow on the same level a Jeff Gordon, rather than twisting words and simply paying money to a track sponsor for some strange reason?

Something to ponder.
Posted by: cardriver
« on: March 04, 2015, 02:45:19 AM »

http://goodwoodkartways.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015_TRAK_Membership_Application.pdf

That's just the membership fees plus race day per class $70.00 and practise days are $50.00.
None Members pay $80.00 per class on race days.
And you get no Pay out just a plastic trophy.

Lets ignore that the carting membership is $100 and the Sunset Membership was $125 and now is $200 (plus $100 per crew) which is more not less. You are really trying to say it costs more to run a Cart? LOL

Let me help you out. It cost about $1,300 CND to register for a CHUMP car race and there is no payout. So Sunset is undercharging about $1,000 bucks for their NA$CAR membership - guess everyone should run out a spend this new found money. See I can play the "pay more but its saving your money" game too :)

They gave back our sunset $75.00 and we paid $100 USA for the new Sunset Nascar Licence. Less the gate discount is the $14 increase.

Fawk. Is everyone's day job here writing the script for those "free" Your Captain Is Calling - won a free vacation calls? Trying to twist what someone really has to pay with word games and screwed up math?

$125 Sunset Memebership - $75 returned = $75 paid + $125 CND ($100 USD) = $200

So it was $125 membership in 2014 now its a $200 membership, that is $75 not increase for the car alone over 2014.

PLUS THE ADDED COST OF BUYING THE REQUIRED NASCAR MEMBERSHIPS FOR YOUR CREW WHICH IS $100 per CREW MEMBER. That there alone is hundreds more.

Which begs the question - what do you get for that extra money. To which someone like yourself, who attended the meeting can only answer "Haven't read the policy yet but I am sure their is something". Hint, there isn't....

Nascar Brand name will help acquire additional car sponsorship.  

Lets get real about sponsorship. 99% of sponsors are your friends. Big name late model drivers are without sponsors. NA$CAR can't find sponsors for themselves at their Cup level or even to sponsor their former Canadian Tire Series. And you think sponsor are going to somehow be lining up to sponsor some mini-stock because there is the NA$CAR name?

Please get real. Any company that naive is going to be disappointed when they figure out you are not racing Dale Jr. Or if they try to stretch the involvement of sponsoring "NASCAR" rather than Joe Dirt in his mini, and they get a call from NA$CAR's lawyers. Ask Evan about his CASCAR trademark experience. 

If you came to the meeting Sunset will be one of six tracks Nascar will have live streaming videos.

Oh really. So NASCAR is sending a crew to do this, and this said video will be on NASCAR.com?

Or is it some dude with a camera streaming a Go Pro to some free streaming site, as any Joe Blow can do these days for next to nothing?

Even if your wishful thinking was true, that would mean it is the drivers paying to put themselves on TV/Streaming, which is weak, sad and kinda pathetic.

Barrie was on Rogers channel 10 TV in the Barrie area. Just like local hockey.

You know what channel 10 is right? Its the free public broadcast channel. In their own words from their site "If you would like Rogers TV to cover your event, there is no charge to you or your group to record and broadcast your event." http://www.rogerstv.com/page.aspx?rid=23&lid=11

So if we ignore the fact that Barrie was covered by Channel 10 in the old days before NA$CAR, at best NA$CAR's involvement in getting the racing televised was to make a free request which any person could do themselves for free.

Why does this membership that has so many befits (yet no one can name them), have to be justified by stretching the truth that a free service was somehow their work?

So if you want to stay at others tracks have no people in the stands for your sponsors and have small car counts, Then so be it.

That could have been said about Sunset prior to NA$CAR.

So what you are saying is NA$CAR might put more fans in the stands?

Hey you might be correct about that. But my question is why is it the responsibility of the driver to pay for that, rather than the track itself from the increased revenues they are getting?

If NA$CAR really is the cat's ass it should be paying for itself and then some - not drivers paying 100's more.
Posted by: Steviebird31
« on: March 03, 2015, 09:25:04 PM »

Race forms

http://goodwoodkartways.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015_TRAK_Membership_Application.pdf

That's just the membership fees plus race day per class $70.00 and practise days are $50.00.
None Members pay $80.00 per class on race days.
And you get no Pay out just a plastic trophy.

They gave back our sunset $75.00 and we paid $100 USA for the new Sunset Nascar Licence. Less the gate discount is the $14 increase.
Haven't read the policy yet but I am sure theirs something.
Nascar Brand name will help acquire additional car sponsorship.  

If you came to the meeting Sunset will be one of six tracks Nascar will have live streaming videos.
Barrie was on Rogers channel 10 TV in the Barrie area. Just like local hockey.

Mark and the group are paying for the bill boards and banners.
This management group will maximise the NASCAR Brand and it will totally pay off in the long run.

So if you want to stay at others tracks have no people in the stands for your sponsors and have small car counts, Then so be it.

But if you want to be part of the biggest and best show in Ontario, then pay the temp membership and come racing.
Don't fear change embrace it!!!
Bogie D bogie D let's go racing boys ;D
Posted by: murray
« on: March 03, 2015, 09:16:57 PM »

Sweet ...saving cash plus nascar stickers !!
Posted by: cardriver
« on: March 03, 2015, 08:27:48 PM »

How much do you guys pay for one Late model tire???? Nickel and dimers.

Point there is racing is expensive enough as it is. Races are not a bottomless pit of money. If you have spent your last dollar on late model tire, which many do do, and its expensive enough already why add more cost.

This is cheap compared to other racing formats.

Yeah like what? And where is the registration form?

Sunset  gave every registered driver his or her $75.00 and then we paid our Sunset Nascar licence of $100.00.

This makes no sense. If Sunset is going to give you $75 towards a $100 memebership, then its $25 ($100 - $75) out of your pocket for a full season memebership. Why would anyone then pay $50 for one night as Mark has stated the temp membership is worth?


Mark reduced the regular gate price to $25 form $28 for the regular points night races savings of $36.00 per person.

Personally I would rather the back gate be left at $28 costing me $3 more, than having to pay $50 extra for a NASCAR membership.

So with the exchange rate it cost us a whopping $14.00 more OMG don't break the bank.

No the exchange rate on a $50 CND temp membership and a $25 CND crew membership is 0 making the cost of those $50 and $25 respectively.


Insurance policy for one no other track offers that.

LOL which will cover what? LOL

One of the biggest Brand logo's in North America.

I could stick a Coke sticker on my car for free

Local TV and Online streaming coverage of our races.

Oh yeah, so where can I find the Barrie races? Where was the coverage of Barrie?


Nascar banners on Yonge street and around the local area, that will bring more people to the track.

That's nice. But as a contractor to the track, why would should I have to pay for the promotion of NA$CAR and the track? Its not like if they draw and extra 100 people from this promotion the purse goes up.

Use of Nascar logos for hero cards and sponsorship fundraising, which will make recouping that $14.00 increase easier.

Where did you get $14???

Now you are going to say well it didn't help Barrie.

No because I don't need to state the obvious.

Barrie didn't have the same vision nor management that Sunset has. 

No they didn't. And I'd suggest that Barrie having NA$CAR while Sunset didn't is proof NA$CAR is not of much use.

Barrie really never improved the track or grand stands, the food was terrible.

We all like Sunset. But lets be honest, their grand stand or small slices of pizza are not their defining features. Barrie's burger was darn good.

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