Author Topic: Possible 2008 Thunder Car Series On GRR (Read 6767 times)

racerfan44 · « **on:** October 06, 2007, 04:43:26 PM »

A listing on the GRR site said their is a possible series for Thunder Cars next year with a possible sponsor being Lowes Canada.The site says the possible tracks if it is a go would be Sauble,Flamboro,Sunset,Varney, & Cayuga.Unfortunally Delaware
is not on the list because their Sport Stocks (Street Stocks ) are
completely different to the Thunder Car.I think Delaware should think hard on this subject to change their cars to spec of a Thunder Car.It could be costly to each race team to do this but if they donot they ( Delaware Drivers ) could be missing out on something big for this type of car.Drivers that used to race at Delaware in the old Street Stock days that run Thunder Car now at Flamboro this year are Brad Collison & Dave Silverthorne Jr & Sr( Sr raced thunder car Last year ) Unfortunally as of now Delaware cars are all by them selves as for rules as other Tracks
seem to be on the same track.I hate to say but if Delaware does not think about this (Possible change) they could be left out to dry as some Delaware drivers might change their cars on their own and drive in this series like what Collison & Silverthornes did. as you no they left Delaware not to return (Silverthone did once last year ).Hopefully Delaware thinks hard about this over the winter or I hate to say you may have a shortage of cars (Street Stocks ) if this series goes off.Would it not be great to see a series like this (Thunder Cars ) come to Delaware.This I think would draw crowds because this is real Grass Roots Racing (GRR)

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **on:** October 06, 2007, 04:43:26 PM »

Shadowracer · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:15:44 PM »

I doubt anyone is worried about switching over to a spec for a series that is still in the "just talking about it" phase, especially if it toning down the equipment.

So...this is the second time now...won't GRR online let you sign up or what?

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streetstocker33 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:22:30 PM »

for the most part delaware street stock teams don't travel. some of the guys would go to cayuga on special occasions but that was it. i don't think you'll see any guys crying because they can't get in on that.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:22:30 PM »

racerfan44 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2007, 10:23:15 PM »

Shadowracer I have never tried to get on GRR any problem with that Thought other race fans should no what is going on in the racing business. I do not see nothing wrong with that .I have a problem with GRR says you have to sign up to give an opinion.Canadianracingonline is a good site as a fan of racing you can give a reply to anything as long as it is not vulger or offends the person who started the article.Myself all I was doing is giving my opinion on the POSSIBLE THUNDER CAR SERIES and I donot think anything is wrong with that.Everything that was said came off the GRR site ( Flamboro ).People with the GRR site open it up to everybody so as I said every interested race fan can hear what is going on not Just Flamboro or Delaware

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Turn1 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2007, 11:21:11 PM »

Ummm... The GRR site <<is>> open to everyone. Anyone can register and anyone can post... No different than this site

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racerfan44 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2007, 11:37:31 PM »

Turn one I have my opinion on this and you have yours I see nothing wrong with how I do this getting my opinion out on a certain subject I registered on this site and see no reason to register on any other site.As I said this site Canadianracingonline is doing a great job and i feel there is no need for another site GRR . As I said let everybody no what is going on just one site .

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Mobil1fan · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2007, 11:59:30 PM »

Quote from: racerfan44 on October 06, 2007, 04:43:26 PM

A listing on the GRR site said their is a possible series for Thunder Cars next year with a possible sponsor being Lowes Canada.The site says the possible tracks if it is a go would be Sauble,Flamboro,Sunset,Varney, & Cayuga.Unfortunally Delaware
is not on the list because their Sport Stocks (Street Stocks ) are
completely different to the Thunder Car.I think Delaware should think hard on this subject to change their cars to spec of a Thunder Car.It could be costly to each race team to do this but if they donot they ( Delaware Drivers ) could be missing out on something big for this type of car.Drivers that used to race at Delaware in the old Street Stock days that run Thunder Car now at Flamboro this year are Brad Collison & Dave Silverthorne Jr & Sr( Sr raced thunder car Last year ) Unfortunally as of now Delaware cars are all by them selves as for rules as other Tracks
seem to be on the same track.I hate to say but if Delaware does not think about this (Possible change) they could be left out to dry as some Delaware drivers might change their cars on their own and drive in this series like what Collison & Silverthornes did. as you no they left Delaware not to return (Silverthone did once last year ).Hopefully Delaware thinks hard about this over the winter or I hate to say you may have a shortage of cars (Street Stocks ) if this series goes off.Would it not be great to see a series like this (Thunder Cars ) come to Delaware.This I think would draw crowds because this is real Grass Roots Racing (GRR)

I highly doubt existing Super Stock teams are going to leave in droves for a slower Thunder Car series which is still on the drawing board. If that was the case, they'd all be running Enduros by now. I do think the track might help themselves by slowing down the Super Stocks somewhat, in order to get some of the Flamboro thunders on a level playing field (ie. Collison, Jackson, McIlroy)...Heck, getting away from a 100%-crate mentality might help as well, to allow the most number of cars to compete...

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racerfan44 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2007, 12:23:56 AM »

Mobile 1 I agree with your statements of slowing down the Super Stocks to make Thunder cars competive with them which means possible return of Collison etc.And getting away from the crate engine which i think is a money grab only.What I was saying reguarding cars moving to the POSSIBLE THUNDER CARS series was that I no they will not lose all SUPER STOCKS but as you no anything can happen in this business and you may lose a few especially if this group gets a big sponsor as they say is possible ( Lowes of Canada ). Look at other series when the big name sponsor came into Canada ( NASCAR CANADA ) Teams like Hathaway, Brown to name afew ran at Delaware then moved on when the big sponsor came in.All I was saying that maybe Delaware take a look at what could possibly happen.It does not hurt to be ready just incase it does happen.As I said you never no and anything is possible.

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Shadowracer · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2007, 08:19:44 AM »

Anyway, no one on there even said anything about an actual series. The idea behind that original post was simply for a WWS/NASCAR Weekly style deal for Thundercars, where everyone races their home track, but competes points wise with all the other participating groups. The cars don't even have to line up tech wise for something like that.

Having said that...didn't our little cadre of elite Enduro guys compete when they used to have that "outlaw" thunder car group? If it did become a touring thing, we could have races based on those guys running it.

I really, really don't think you want to go monkeying with the SuperStock rules to accomodate something like this, even if it was going to happen. (and thats a big if) The Super Stocks right now are virtually the same cars that were dubbed CASCAR Late Models in the late 80s...a style of car that revitalized Delaware, and brought it out of the Jr Hanley induced dark ages.

Only diff is, they're not the headliners anymore...which is a shame.

As far as an 100 percent crate mentality, I don't actually know if that's true or not...but I'm all for it.

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streetstocker33 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2007, 09:35:10 AM »

super stocks don't have to run crates, built are an option. anybody that says they need to get away from making the crate an advantage doesn't know what's actually going on in the pits.

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Shadowracer · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2007, 10:40:12 AM »

For the sake of discussion, what IS going on in the pits? If I'm reading you correctly, crates aren't being given as much advantage as is currently thought?

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LAKER77 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2007, 10:53:46 AM »

As a Peterbilt of Ontario Super Stock car owner I wouldn't consider making a bunch of changes to the car to slow it down and go run a travelling series. We are quite happy to be running delaware and I really can't think of any other super stock competitors who would. As far as the crate engine, I don't know why anyone would be against it. You can now buy one for just over $3000. and you don't touch it fot at least 2 years. Some have run them for 4 years with just changing valve springs. But for those that want an alternative built motors are allowed in the division. Just read the rules on the delaware web page.

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partsman · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2007, 10:56:28 AM »

i don't want to turn this into a crate motor debate--- but who is the crate motor program a "money grab " for ? certainly not the dealers

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Shadowracer · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2007, 11:17:43 AM »

Quote from: partsman on October 07, 2007, 10:56:28 AM

i don't want to turn this into a crate motor debate--- but who is the crate motor program a "money grab " for ? certainly not the dealers

I'm going over ther thread here, and I don't see anyone saying that.

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Mobil1fan · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2007, 11:43:58 AM »

Quote from: streetstocker33 on October 07, 2007, 09:35:10 AM

super stocks don't have to run crates, built are an option. anybody that says they need to get away from making the crate an advantage doesn't know what's actually going on in the pits.

Is there anyone running built engines in Super Stock, or have the rules made it impossible to do so and be competitive?

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