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Canadian Oval / Road Racing => Canadian Tracks => Sunset Speedway => Topic started by: mipro on August 01, 2007, 06:14:52 PM
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With the date of the second invitational getting close,i for one am hoping for a good turnout of 4s and thunders. Last one was quite good.It was nice to see so many cars show up from other tracks.Plus it was also good to see so many late model drivers behind the wheel of a thunder.
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Well I may be a little premature in saying it but I would like to be there. We'll see if it happens.
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don't worry thunder, you'll make it there and i'll be your fatback mcswain! i'll be your jack man, tire changer and all dude!
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The Sunbird will make its first Thursday night after missing last years and the one in July, hope some Peterborough Four Funs come make it a little more fun.
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i thought a couple of them had been slated to make the trip last time but didnt.....
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Well as long asi get off work early enough ill run, heck i even have a crew for once, its gonna be weird
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your reply had no connection whatsoever to my original post....
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Only Thunder cars from the 5 track coalition Mosport, Peterboro, Kawartha, Sunset and Varney or any othe track that does not have a performance advantage will be allowed to race at invitational. Looks like no Barrie thunders. This is in the Sunset news section of their website.
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Only Thunder cars from the 5 track coalition Mosport, Peterboro, Kawartha, Sunset and Varney or any othe track that does not have a performance advantage will be allowed to race at invitational. Looks like no Barrie thunders. This is in the Sunset news section of their website.
i THINK (dont quote me on this) that that rule is just to keep the next gens out....but im not exactly positive
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that's ridiculous! let them race the old style thunders at least. Is there some sort of reason why they are not allowing this?
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that's ridiculous! let them race the old style thunders at least. Is there some sort of reason why they are not allowing this?
i'm not even sure if what im saying is correct, i just heard the drivers talking about it
i know nothing of the tech comings and goings of the track lol, im waaaay at the other end of the speedway
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well i was looking forward to coming to help the 6 car Thursday! Find out tomrrow if you could and let us all know so that we can plan it! thanks dude
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ill call glenn first thing tomorrow morning, but i'm almost 100% sure it's just a no next gen rule
very similar to the old "no outlaw thunder cars" rule
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well then at least Baker and Thunder6 can run cause they've got the old style car! That would be nice! Thanks Spencer and have fun tomorrow night. talk to you later
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I have read the Sunset rules and I'm pretty sure my car would tech. I run a Rochester carb (for now), stock GM heads (for now), a 10 bolt and I have no "weight jacking devices" installed in my car. Those are the only differences in the rules that I can see. My car was a Sunset car in '05 anyway so I thought it should be close. Spencer please let us know if we should bother coming, if we are going to be turned away because we come from Barrie Speedway then we won't go where we are not wanted. And thanks for letting us know.
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Oh yeah and it's a '81 Malibu bodystyle.
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last week at the drivers meetin they asked the thunders what they thougth should be done about the next gens and the general consensus was to not have them run. they never siad anything about the other normal thunder cars, just the next gens. so thunder 6 from what i heard at the drivers meeting you will be fine to come.
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thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard, ask the drivers if they should run against the faster Barrie cars and they say no so they cant come, what if Barrie asked if #45 Poole should run at Barrie and the drivers said no (which they wouldnt because they like competition). Go to a soccer game and start loosing so take your soccer ball and go home because you cant win. same thinking. That is pure crap and the sunset thunder drivers and owner should be ashamed of themselves. the new gens are the same car with new bodies. They even have a weight penalty if they run race motors. If you ever want the thunder car division to continue you have to update it. You cant find the old bodies anymore get with the times.
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This is just a 'no barrie cars cause they kicked everyone's ass' rule...at this point i will not be going because this is rediculous...all they are are metric chasis with new panels....the 42 is last years 45....ITS ONLY BODY PANELS MOSTLY.
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hey Barrie 97 it wont matter anyway because the 44 car is old style and he will go out and kick their ass anyway and then what??? No Barrie cars at all we cant compete rule will be added to their rule book. man what a bunch of babies
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Now you see why I say re creating the SIMCOE COUNTY SHOOTOUT is a bad idea!!!!LOL But would love to see that kind of series with Sauble!!! Close in proximity and would be one awesome show with the drivers from those two tracks!!! A partnership with Chisholm is a wee bit scary but to me worth it for the results in the end!! And Joe has always had a knack for promotion and with Barries strong sponsorship ( as well as Sauble's) that would be the formula for huge growth potential in my eyes!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!LOL
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are the barrie cars on 8 inch tires?
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yep
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that could be one reason why they wont let them run them.......so they arent on the 7 inch hoosier tire> what tire are the barrie boys running?
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i think there both on 8' hoosiers
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The tires are different, both made by Hoosier, I just don't know what the difference is. You can tell just by looking at them. Both tracks have 8" rim rules. Barrie can run a Holley 4412, World Products S/R (stock replacement) heads, 9" Ford rear end, and weight jacks. Those are the differences in the rules that I can see. There are probably others, but not much.
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This is a big problem in Auto Racing in general when a track says no to cars you have a big problem. I always thought the more cars the better for a show means
1)Lots of fans
2) increase of purses
3) track makes money
Remember the fans not just yourselves and remember No car,No
Fans equals NO RACING
Come on Sunset or any track let the cars run as these are the machines (Cars ) and drivers that the fans want to see.
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hey Barrie 97 it wont matter anyway because the 44 car is old style and he will go out and kick their ass anyway and then what??? No Barrie cars at all we cant compete rule will be added to their rule book. man what a bunch of babies
I private messaged you with my thoughts on this topic.
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hey Barrie 97 it wont matter anyway because the 44 car is old style and he will go out and kick their ass anyway and then what??? No Barrie cars at all we cant compete rule will be added to their rule book. man what a bunch of babies
I private messaged you with my thoughts on this topic.
Hellothere,
I just sent another private message answering your response.
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If I recall 2 years ago Barrie told #45 Rob Poole after he won an invitational was told not to come back. If any body can confirm. If so who are the babies?
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Poole was found to be cheating if i remember correctly...and was not told to not come back...
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Pooles engine was found to have been moved back and down in the chassis which would not even pass sunset rules. He was paid given the win and was told to have the car legal next time. They didnt let the drivers vote and kick him out like the babies on the hill.... >:(
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well are old style Barrie cars able to run the invitational or what's the deal?
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Would someone please let us know either way, we have an '81 Malibu, rochester carb, no weight jacks, P/G, 10 bolt, and sunset tires. If we are not wanted there we won't come down. The car has run 1 night at Barrie. Can one of the members at Sunset pass this on to the officials?
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Would someone please let us know either way, we have an '81 Malibu, rochester carb, no weight jacks, P/G, 10 bolt, and sunset tires. If we are not wanted there we won't come down. The car has run 1 night at Barrie. Can one of the members at Sunset pass this on to the officials?
I responded to your question with a private message that may help you.
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why respond with a private message. why not tell us all at once? grrr....lol
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I will call Sunset tomorrow and find out for sure. Thanks K-man I got your PM.
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why respond with a private message. why not tell us all at once? grrr....lol
I'm sorry Kahnefreak, I private messaged my explanation to you.
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I still think if ABBA got back together for a concert - this would be easier to figure out@@@
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I'd be more likely to go see the Eagles... Hell does freeze over, right?
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thanx K-Man i understand your point
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this may be a silly question for everyone, but what are the credits for on this site? why is it that I have more then somebody else who has posted more times then myself...lol.....i am confused
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can sauble thunders run?...i ran there 3 times last year and i was aloud to race>.what about this year>
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pm cro and he will explain the credits. at first o thought i owed money to someone.
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It's because what you are saying makes more sense Steeve... That's why you get more credits. Hahaha. Just kidding. What do the credits get you anyways, a free non return trip to Thunder Bay? LOL.
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Can I get a G-Body 9" Ford for my 28,000 some odd credits Evan? LOL!
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i wonder what i can buy with my credits? lol....yes i'd like a happy meal with supersized fries and a big old toy that comes with it please...lol
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I would ahve like you to make ransomville run tonight!
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1-800-NATURE How do you think we've almost had a perfect year at Barrie. That one night I called but the line was busy... LOL!
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my understanding is that the older style barrie thunders can run
so thunder6 should certainly be clear to race
smokin joe, you should more than likely be good to go as well, bring down a whole bunch of sauble cars with you :)
and just for the record, i think its awesome we actually had a thread involving barrie and sunset matters that didnt turn into a complete brawl with name calling and threats
see you guys on thursday, come up to the booth and say hi
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just seen a pic of your car thunder6 on the barrie site........looks good..is that the old 48 car from sunset?
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so Kevin what are your plans for Thursday night???? just wondering!!! I think my dad is still interested but were not sure what to do as if he does race Thursday then he won't be running against all the Barrie cars. We'd like to see what the car can do against all the Barrie cars. But I think were leaving it up to you.
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;D hey spence I'll come up and talk to you if you come down when I get there and shoot the breeze with me you just might be surprised who I am
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I got a pretty good idea who you are....SO spence make sure u msg me and let me know for sure....lmao
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Okay so here is the deal. We have decided not to run the Invitational at Sunset Thursday night. Thanks for the invite but we feel it is more of a priority to get my car dialed in for Barrie. Good luck to everyone who is going. Spencer, we'll have to meet sometime down the road, I'm sure our paths will cross at some point in the future.
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And Joe00 thanks for the compliment on my car. It is the old #48 from Sunset. Perhaps you know the car?
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;D ;D so barrie97 who do you think it is????? PM me about that you cheater Thayne
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Hahahaha. Ahhh the intrigue on this site... Thayne Hallyburton AKA Max Haines...
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my understanding is that the older style barrie thunders can run
so thunder6 should certainly be clear to race
smokin joe, you should more than likely be good to go as well, bring down a whole bunch of sauble cars with you :)
Well correct me if I'm wrong but are the Sauble boys not more of a challanger then thunder hell I think that's even what they're called this year??? Yes I see how the 9" rear is a performance advantange LMAO ever seen the axles on St. Onges car??? they're massive and definatley not light so think rotating weight as for the load bolt issue I could find atleast 5 Sunset thunders that have them I'm sure, I see them as more of a cost saving device then anything else think about it would you rather have to jack the car up undo the rear end and trade springs or simply turn a wrench???? exactly! but my favorite of all the "4412" or the "500" Holley boy the days of the rochester are over the Holley is more simplistic and it functions no hunting for the "right" one just slap it on and race!! I think this is just rediculous Glenn you are way behind times here let's get on the ball and compete oh but wait you can't because you don't have a suitable weapon to defend with, cause even if we run ol'school on you it's gonna hurt!!! and for the last time it's "NEW GENERATION" not "next" you hammers!!! get it right if ur gonna complain!! and as far as I'm concerned I fella that sees a "racing seat" as a performance advantage has no place at a "race" track!! that's the mentality on the hill my friends safety is a performance advantage remeber that LMAO
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but wade a safety feature will enhance your performance. the more safe you feel the more likely you will let dangle longer and harder. just a bit of sarcasm. define new gen differences please as it is something we are dealing with in our street stock class. i have checked the rules but they do not equate with what i hear here sometimes. eg s it just new bodies on old chassis or are the chassis new also.
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Hill3, the new gens are a metric chassis with new bodies on them. what else you wanna know??
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ITW...pm sent
anyone know if there is practise at barrie tonight?
also the new generation cars are really just the body on the metric chasis...theres no other difference...all barrie is trying to do is basically modernize the class.....and its about time....as far as im concerned anyways....
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Well I guess the differences between the two really boil down to a few small things IE New Gens have a full tin kit, and a Newer Body style, where as the Old Gens have a stock metric "G-Body" and a very minamal amout of stock fire wall left in them, I agree with everything Barrie is doing with this class it's making the cars easier to work on (more room, and no rust) gone are the days of leaving your car outside all winter and frankly not caring for it, here are the days of spending quality time with your car and making sure it's able to perform at it's very best day in and day out. As far as I'm concerned if you're not willing to sacrifice the time and effort required to stay at the top of your game then don't complain when then game passes you by!! instead of complaining the Sunset boys should be updating and wanting to get faster and handle better, at the last invitational @ Funset I overheard one of thier TC drivers say " I can't run a thunder car with them late models" when I also witnessed that same driver pushing in the turns and clearly being "out handled" but when approched with advice I was toid " I'm handling great" LOL um apparently you're not cause everybody is passing you in the corner!! but hey the biggest problem I see is that people spend too much time complaining about the cars that they can't be working on thier cars, cause if they were working on them they'd get faster and be able to run with them!! but that's what being lazy will get you!! RAG TAG tariler park racing is over fellas!!! get with the program or shut the hell up!
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power train is the same? no fuel injection no six cyclinders? i thought i read the rules that wheel base could be 103 and 6 cyclinders with a wieght break. maybe i am confusing a different class here. not wanting to start a fight it is just we are boxing with shadows here and do not want to shot ourselves in the foot. i realize we will not make everyone happy i just want to pi** off the smallest amount of teams as little as possible but try and bring the class into the 21st century.thanks for your input guys.
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yep...all that fun stuff i believe is the same...wheel base depoends on make and model....
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so would i be able to take my camero and stretch a Pontiac body on to it and change nothing else as long as safety rule are followed. this assumes you allow cameros if not insert montecarlo
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You can't use a Camaro chassis only metric G-body chassis. I think the biggest advantage of the New Gen cars is the weight. Most of the bodies are stock at the top of the fender, door or quarter & then run sheet metal because the stock body would be too short. Combine that with the tin kit & it shaves allot of weight which you can then place where you want it. But then there is a weight penalty for running a built motor so it all evens out.
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well how did the invitational go? how many cars raced in each division. Maybe cars from far away wouldn't have come because there was a threat from rain.
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i didnt bother making the trip...............work commitments and the chance of rain made me pack it in......i will make the trip at the end of the year for a night or two.......
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I like my Malibu body, it's old skool and I have 2 more Malibu's + lots of spare panels. The cars are harder to find than they were, but they're still out there... I just buy the cars when I find them for a decent price. If they are bad enough to be cut up for panels the cars are pretty much worthless anyways. Monte / Regal / Cutlasses are even easier to find... but I like the Malibu style... IMHO.
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well what happened in the invitational thursday?
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Podiwels won Roadrunner, Anderson won Thunders and I dont know who won Four Fun as i pulled off over heating. 20+ in all divisions, crowed looked a lil better than the last one...not much but a little.
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i still think Barrie cars should have been able to go. Barrie will never disallow any car from any track! So if anybody ever wants to come for an invitational in the future from Sunset your all more then welcome
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Barrie is not even running invitationals (not the Nascar thing to do) and as for any car welcome to race a Barrie invitational, when they did have them, I suppose that could be true unless you have #45 on your door or are a Honda from Sunset.
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Went to races thurs. night,really enjoyed them even though there was no lates.Real good car count in all classes.Really suprised to see so many cars from so many other tracks.Tracks that had cars represented included sauble,flamboro,barrie,sunset,kawartha and mosport,might have been one more but didnt recognize all of them.Crowd was fairly small but bigger than last thurs.,huge pit crowd made up for it.Overall from my point of view,great night out.
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i know theres no invitationals at barrie this year but if there were we would welcome everybody...that's all i meant by that...i think we should still have invitationals. the end of the year one at barrie was always fun
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i know theres no invitationals at barrie this year but if there were we would welcome everybody...that's all i meant by that...i think we should still have invitationals. the end of the year one at barrie was always fun
for sure...it was always the most fun....Even when i wasn;t racing it was the one race i wouldn;t miss
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melso mafia--- it is easy to say we would do this or that if this was happening. seems to me that this is stirring the pot. has for not having the invitational why does Barrie have to put it on. why could the drivers not do it. when the club told us that we could only have a street stock invitational if the drivers put it on we did it,this is our sixth annual one after several years of not having one,it has turned into one of the top five events of the year.